Ok, what airplane is this from? This should be pretty easy.
Category: Mystery Photo
Tags: Mystery photo #8
Cockpit-window arrangement of the four-torboprop engined Vickers Vanguard.
Don’t think it’s the Vanguard – the position of the wiper doesn’t match, and neither does the shape of the windows.
I was going to say Bristol Britannia, but I don’t think that’s it, either. The “This should be pretty easy” tagline is just a terrible tease…
…that said – could it actually be a Canadair CL-44, which I think shares some genes with the Britannia?
N836D Former Eastern Air Lines DC-7B
Oops! This one is a Canadair CL-44
No, not a CL-44, she did not have a square window in the cente panel. I don’t think sh is a Britannia, either. It could be an early VC-10, such as the type 1101 or the 1100/1109.
I don’t think the square window is the middle panel, as the window to the right is not a mirrored version of the window left of the square panel. I.e. I think the window on the right is the centre panel. And with that assumption, the whole arrangement seems a pretty good match of the CL-44.
…also, on the VC-10, the near-triangular panels didn’t border on the centre window.
It looks Russian to me…maybe something from the Ilyushin family.
Canadair CL-44. Definitely. http://www.airliners.net/photo/First-International-Airlines/Canadair-(Conroy)-CL-44-O/0167219/&sid=8c06b114c5eb2d8dcda5b12c5e730446
This British Airways/Seaboard World CL44 has cockpit windows from the Convair 990, as required by FAA because the Britannia visibility did not meet FAA requirements. Photo from Airliners.net. I thought someone would guess Convair.
I was going to say Convair 990, but the layout doesn’t quite match – if Canadair did use the Convair cockpit windows, they did introduce quite a few alterations. The centre pane is square on the 990, but not the CL-44, for instance, and on the CL-44 the outmost windows are much larger and closer to square-shaped than the panes one further in, while it’s the other way round on the 990. I’ll try and find a photo to illustrate what I mean 🙂
So – to illustrate:
CL-44 frontal view (first one is actually of a Conroy Skymonster, which is a guppy-fied version of the CL-44):
Convair 990 frontal view:
CL-44 angled side-view:
Convair 990 angled side view:
Once I was in a Brittania cockpit (Duxfort) and I remember it struck me how flat / limitted the windows were.. apparently I wasn’t the only one
the original source ?
This is indeed the source. Scott
Good catch – looks very much like it. Note how the photo is “squeezed” horizontally, making the windows appear slightly narrower than they actually were.
And I think Scott found that photo here:
…which is also where somebody mentions Convair 880/990 windows being borrowed for the CL-44, although I don’t think that this is factually correct (see my post above).
The pprune discussion was my entry too.
I have to horizontally stretch the image by ~130% to have relevant details appear circular.
Interesting to see the tail turned sideways for loading?
The centre pane is square on the 990, but not the CL-44, for instance, and on the CL-44 the outmost windows are much larger and closer to square-shaped than the panes one further in, while it’s the other way round on the 990. I’ll try and find a photo to illustrate what I mean
imho no resemblance at all.
I have abook on the CL44 and it is the source of my info. Scott
Definitely not a CV-990 or CV-880. Cockpit windows on these jetliners had rounded corners and as Anfromme mentions, center pane is square. I will hold with CL-44.
Check out windshield wipers are vertically articulated, parked at outer position. http://www.airliners.net/photo/First-International-Airlines/Canadair-(Conroy)-CL-44-O/0167219/&sid=8c06b114c5eb2d8dcda5b12c5e730446
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