Leeham News and Analysis
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There's more to real news than a news release.
Leeham News and Analysis
- Why the IAM 751 rejected the Boeing contract and what is needed for approval September 16, 2024
- Boeing CFO: we want to negotiate; taking steps to preserve cash September 13, 2024
- Bjorn’s Corner: New engine development. Part 23. New versus old, GTF versus V2500 September 13, 2024
- IAM files Unfair Labor Practice against Boeing in thumping rejection of contract September 13, 2024
- IAM rejects Boeing contract, strikes at midnight September 13, 2024
Odds and Ends: GOL orders 60 MAX-8s; Qatar says GEnx engine fault delays 787s; SPEEA deal “within few weeks”
GOL Orders the MAX: Boeing and the Brazilian airline GOL announced an order for 60 737 MAXes. The press release did not specify sub-type but GOL tells us the order is for the MAX 8.
Qatar’s 787s: Qatar’s CEO says the shaft issues on the GEnx engines are what’s behind the airline refusing to take delivery of its Boeing 787s.
SPEEA Deal: Boeing CEO Jim McNerney says he expects a deal with SPEEA within a few weeks, according to this article.
Didn’t Leeham News report a few weeks ago, that it had been decided to go
back to a 67 inch fan on the GenEx engine for the 737MAX, in spite of a
previous reports that GE would guarantee the thrust/fuelburn of the 70 inch
fan by Feb. next year?
And wasn’t that guarantee required before UA singed up for the MAX?
What made it possible for GE to suddenly go back to a 67 inch fan and
still offer the same guarantees and didn’t that eliminate the requirements to
add 8 inches to the NLG, as well as moving the engine fwd. and up, on a 787
type strut?
Maybe I missed something, while I had a Heart-Pacemaker installed!
We (and others) reported MAX will have a 69.4 inch fan. We subsequently have heard even this may increase.
.Qatar 787s. There may be other reasons for which Qatar may be responsible. See All Things 787.
http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
Whatever the cause, it is just another 787 mess, which seems just part of it’s DNA.
Not that I trust Saj much, but IFE is a Buyer Furnished Equipment, so Qatar wouldn’t have any hold over Boeing for that.
As Al Baker is on quote saying that IFE will be installed after delivery, there has to be another reason for the delay.
Royal Air Marocc seems to be baulking at acceptance of their 2 frames that are ready for delivery ( NO as long as specs aren’t better ) :
http://www.fliegerweb.com/airliner/news/artikel.php?show=news-9816
Is Boeing trying to push for delivery without looking left or right ( or actually asking the customer if they will take them ) ?
Uwe, the two “completed” RAM aircraft are lines 17 and 19, and there is publicly available information (http://nyc787.blogspot.com/) that they are in storage, and have not yet begun the change incorporation and rework process.
In a previous discussion on this site http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/odds-and-ends-price-vs-price-in-indian-contest-china-theat-787-financial-impact-on-boeing/#comments, CM indicated that RAM has already worked out favorable pricing and compensation for those frames. Based on that, there appears to be no indication that Boeing is doing what you suggest.
Thank you for the correction.
Thank you Scott,
Aren’t the guarantees for the thrust/fuel burn levels of the GenEx engine
to MAX customers STILL subject to confirmation by Feb. next year?
If so, what will happen if they cannot, with whatever Fan-diameter Boeing
can eventually squeeze underneath the 737 wing, without any additional
and costly mods to it’s structure?
Dunno the answers.
Why should Boeing provide any guarantess on GEnx engine to MAX customers? 😉
I think Rudy refers to the GE LEAP-1B 😉
KDX125.
Because they, GE, and not only Boeing, had to provide that guarantee,
to get UA on board for the MAX, in the interest of both Boeing and GE!
That’s why I asked the question: What will happen, if by Feb ’13, the
date set by GE, they(GE) will NOT be able to provide the thrust/fuel burn-
guarantees Boeing AND GE have made to MAX customers in large num-
bers, (700+) with whatever fan-diameter Boeing manages to squeeze
in below the 737wing, without additional major and costly structural
changes beyond the 8 inch NG extension and the 787 type strut, to
obtain the guaranteed performance levels!
For what fansize did GE make guarantees ?
( or diid they make their guaranteed sfc a function of fansize
or some other limitation ? )
I think MAX customers have settled for an around 10% fuel consumption improvement compared to the 737 NG. I think it is clear what prices they paid sofar and what role the US government (ImEx bank) played sofar in a strategic move to regain some market share after the AA (or)deal. The fuzzy logic Randy uses to make incredible claims comparing his product to the competition are irrelevant.
I think NEO customers have resigned themselves to the fact the sharklets are a decade behind Boeing’s cutting edge split winglet technology. But they got a good deal on old technology.
lets make this slightly more complicated.. 😉
http://airlineworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/airbus_winglets.jpg
http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/winglet2.jpg
FWIW, Airbus says it evaluated split wing and decided to go with the sharklet.
Uwe.
Pls. see “NextGen progress is difficult to track,” in AVIA daily Lead, of Oct. 4, 12
Do you have a link?
Scott, I could not find it yet, but I will keep trying!
Qatar did get their first fram delivered yesterday, it will stay for a few weeks to get the Thales system installed. U-turns again? 🙂
Probably Boeing ate up the weeks scheduled for IFE and other BFE..
No, its a Thales problem, that frame has been ready for at least 2 months, its all other stuff QR wants. And hence why it did deliver at last. B is runnig out of stalls.