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- What’s the future of the Boeing 787-8? January 16, 2025
- FAA understaffing affects air operations oversight; NTSB falls short, too January 13, 2025
- Bjorn’s Corner: Air Transport’s route to 2050. Part 4. January 10, 2025
- The market is ready for a 787F. But is Boeing? January 9, 2025
- 2025 remains another year for recovery in commercial aerospace January 6, 2025
What’s the future of the Boeing 787-8?
By the Leeham News Team
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Jan. 16, 2025, © Leeham News: The short-body Boeing 787-8s have a problem when they come off lease. They aren’t as efficient people haulers as their larger cousins, the -9 and the -10.
Concept of Boeing 787-8F. Credit: Leeham News.
Understanding that, what is their future? 1) Re-lease them to another operator or extend the current leases, both at very favorable rates, to get something out of them. 2) Reduce them to spares, which could work for a few to fill the spare parts pipeline, but after that the spares value really starts dropping as supply goes up. 3) P2F freighter conversions.
Of the choices, a P2F program seems the best way to extract value out of the airframes. The key to making it work is conversion cost. There have been some fairly solid rumblings that Boeing has either completed the conversion engineering package or, in fact, started to offload the planning to Boeing of India to get the package executed. Boeing says there is no current engineering underway but would not comment on previous work.
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Let’s look at what it takes from the P to the F.
The market is ready for a 787F. But is Boeing?
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By Scott Hamilton
Jan. 9, 2025, © Leeham News: Boeing will cease production of its important 767F and 777F freighters in two years. Emission rules approved in 2017 by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) and adopted by the Federal Aviation Administration means these aircraft will be non-compliant beginning in 2028. As a consequence, production must cease.
Concept of Boeing 787-8F converted freighter. Credit: Leeham News.
Boeing has a solution to replace the 777F: the 777X family’s -8F is now targeted for entry into service (EIS) in 2028. Many believe that this date is squishy due to repeated delays in the 777X program. The aircraft still isn’t certified. The lead model, the passenger 777-9, was supposed to enter service as early as December 2019. Now, Boeing hopes to deliver the first -9s in 2026. This date remains uncertain, however.
The 777-8F is the next in the family, followed in 2030 by the ultra-long-haul 777-8 passenger model.
Boeing asked the US Congress for an exemption to allow the 767F, based on the -300ER passenger frame, to continue production after 2027. Congress approved the request. But with no orders after 2027 anyway, Boeing’s new CEO Kelly Ortberg announced in October that the production of the 767F will end in 2027. (Production of the KC-46A US Air Force refueling tanker, based on the 767-200ER, will continue.)
The market is ready for a 787 freighter to replace the 767F. But is Boeing ready to launch a program?
2025 remains another year for recovery in commercial aerospace
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By Scott Hamilton
Jan. 6, 2025, © Leeham News: Don’t look for any dramatic new product launches in 2025.
Nor should you expect any dramatic news, absent global upheaval of some kind.
This year is going to be yet another year dominated by recovery. Recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic, which officially ended in 2022. Recovery by the supply chain. Recovery for Pratt & Whitney’s nearly decade-long problems with its Pure Power GTF engines supplying the Airbus A220, A320 family and Embraer E2 jets. Recovery by Airbus from its production and delivery delays. Recovery by Boeing from its series of self-inflicted crises, now beginning the sixth year.
There is just no getting around the fact that the commercial aerospace industry isn’t a smooth-running industry. It’s a long way from 2018, when all sectors were running smoothly. There is still a long way to go to recovery.
Here’s LNA’s take on what’s to come this year.
Boeing touts safety progress but opposes SPEEA initiative
By Scott Hamilton
Jan. 3, 2025, © Leeham News: Boeing today issued an update on its year-long effort to improve safety protocols in the final assembly lines of the 7-Series commercial airplanes.
However, the update received lukewarm reviews from one of its leading unions and some retired employees charged with safety protocols who had complained for years about the safety culture.
Boeing has opposed a safety plan proposed by the engineers’ union, SPEEA. No meeting has been held since March 26 last year, and none is scheduled.
The update comes two days before the first anniversary of the Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 in-flight blow out of a door plug on a brand new 737-9 MAX. The airplane had taken off from the Portland (OR) airport and was passing through 16,000 ft when the plug on the left side aft of the wing blew off the airplane.
Nobody was sitting in the two seats next to the plug. A teenager in the row in front of the plug was nearly sucked out of the plane. There were minor injuries and damage from the decompression throughout the cabin and cockpit. The plane made a safe emergency landing minutes later.
The cause was traced to line assembly personnel’s failure to reinstall four bolts holding the plug in place. The plug eventually shifted in its track and separated from the aircraft. The plug blowout also blew up Boeing’s recovery efforts from the 2018-19 MAX crisis following two fatal crashes. These were traced to a design flaw with a flight system known as MCAS.
In its report issued today, Boeing said that it has:
Overview
- Addressed over 70% of action items in commercial airplanes production based on employee feedback during Quality Stand Down sessions.
- Instituted new random quality audits of documented removals in high frequency areas to ensure compliance to process.
- Added hundreds of hours of new curriculum to training programs, including quality proficiency, Safety Management System (SMS) Positive Safety Culture, and critical skills.
- Mapped and prepared thousands of governance documents and work instructions for revision.
- Significantly reduced defects in 737 fuselage assembly at Spirit AeroSystems by increasing inspection points at build locations and implementing customer quality approval process.
A decade to normal? Delivering every airplane in backlog won’t clear debt to 2018 levels
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By Karl Sinclair
Dec. 20, 2024, © Leeham News: In 2018, the Boeing Company (BA) delivered a whopping 806 commercial aircraft to customers.
That year, the corporation declared revenues of $60.715bn at Boeing Commercial Aircraft (BCA) and an operating margin of $7.879bn.
Operating cash flow was $15.322bn and Free Cash Flow (FCF) was $13.6bn.
2016 was the last year that Boeing did not have a negative net debt position (cash and cash equivalents less short and long-term debt).
In 2018, Boeing increased its net debt position by ($4.158bn), year over year, while spending $12.946bn on buybacks and dividends.
It borrowed money to give to shareholders.
Fast-forward to the end of 3Q2024. Boeing was forced to raise $21bn in a stock offering on Oct. 28, with $57.65bn in total debt and a ($47.18bn) net debt position.
How long will it take Boeing to get back to a position where it can invest in a much needed clean-sheet design to replace the beleaguered 737 MAX family?
Legendary analyst Cai Von Rumohr retires after 55 years
By Scott Hamilton
Dec. 19, 2024, (c) Leeham News: It is rare that LNA takes special note of aerospace analysts. Too many of them cozy up to the companies they cover because if they don’t, they’re access may be cut off or curtailed. For most reports, we look at them for information rather than analysis and we’re happy to cite the details rather than the conclusions.
Today, we’re making an exception. Cai Von Rumohr, an analyst of 55 years, has retired. He ended his career with TD Securities, more commonly known as Cowen. In his final note to investors, Von Rumohr provides an entertaining lessons learned and rules he followed during his long career. We don’t publish full reports without permission (after all, analysts sell their reports just like LNA sells subscriptions) but in this case, we don’t think Cai will mind offering his farewell for download. It’s available below.
Boeing, Airbus still struggle with supply chains and personnel shortages
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By Scott Hamilton
Dec. 13, 2024, © Leeham News: It’s been two years since the generally accepted end of the COVID-19 pandemic. But the aerospace industry hasn’t fully recovered. Nor will it do so for some time to come.
Predictions suggest another year or two will be required to restore pre-pandemic employment levels within the supply chain. This isn’t even certain. What is certain is that the impact of inexperienced new hires in the meticulous aerospace requirements will linger on for years to come.
Michael Haidinger, President of Boeing European and Middle Eastern regions. Credit: Boeing.
Michael Haidinger, president of Boeing’s European and Middle Eastern regions, and Juergen Westermeier, chief procurement officer for Airbus, agree challenges remain in the near future.
“There is always a shortage of skilled aerospace talent intensified by the pandemic,” Haidinger said this month at the annual Aviation Forum (2024) in Munich, Germany. “As all the professionals retired, fewer new employees entered the field. Our industry needs more people who not only bring expertise but also embrace the mission of advancing aerospace.”
Haidinger added, “The deficit of skilled engineers, technicians, and other aerospace workers has made ramping up production more challenging. Attracting and retaining talent has become a top priority for us. [We are] with many companies investing in workforce development, partnerships with universities, training programs, and apprenticeship programs.”
How Trump tariffs affected, and could affect, Airbus, Boeing and Embraer
By Scott Hamilton
Dec. 6, 2024, © Leeham News: President-elect Donald Trump vowed to immediately impose a 25% tariff on “ALL” imports into the US from Canada and Mexico, and 10% from China.
Last week, he threatened to impose a 100% tariff on imports from the BRIC-aligned nations if they move away from the US dollar in international economics.
The BRIC nations begin with Brazil, Russia, India, and China (the “BRIC” part of the group). Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran, South Africa, Iran, and the United Arab Emirates round out the group.
There is widespread criticism of the potential damage the Trump tariffs could impose on the US economy. The targeted countries would be certain to impose tariffs on US goods.
The impact could be significant for commercial aviation—and Boeing in particular. Before its repeated self-inflicted wounds began with the 2018/19 737 MAX crisis, which continues today, Boeing was by far the largest US exporter. Deliveries of its 7-Series airplanes outside the US helped balance the trade deficit the US usually has.
Before Trump’s first term, China was the largest customer for Boeing airplanes. Deliveries accounted for 25% or more of Boeing’s annual deliveries. After
Trump took office in 2017 and imposed tariffs on China, Beijing stopped ordering Boeing airplanes. China was the first country to ground the MAX after the two fatal accidents. It was the last to recertify the airplane. And there still remains a sizeable inventory of undelivered 737s awaiting Beijing’s approval for delivery, one by one.
Trump also imposed tariffs on Airbus imports into the US as part of the two-decade-long World Trade Organization (WTO) trade dispute between Airbus and Boeing.
However, imposing tariffs is a complicated process. LNA extensively reported on the WTO battle (see related articles). We explain this further below.
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Books to consider for Christmas
By Scott Hamilton
Nov. 29, 2024, © Leeham News: In America, it’s the day after Thanksgiving and this means the official start of Christmas shopping season.
Air Wars
- Air Wars, The Global Combat Between Airbus and Boeing, by…me. Sorry, I can’t help putting my
own book at the top of the list. Published in September 2021 while Boeing was still dealing with the grounded 737 MAX and the whole industry with the COVID-19 pandemic, Air Wars covers 33 years to September 2021 of the product and marketing strategies between Airbus and Boeing. There is special focus on Airbus’ super-salesman, John Leahy. But there is plenty of on-the-record input from Boeing executives like Scott Carson, Jim Albaugh and Ray Conner (all retired CEOs of Boeing Commercial Airplanes), Boeing and Airbus salesmen, and customers. The book tells the story about Boeing squandering its dominance and of mistakes by both companies. The book was rated Number 1 buys in the aviation sector by Amazon for a time, and on the recommended Buy lists of the year by the Royal Aeronautical Society and the Puget Sound (Seattle) Business Journal. Available in the US, select Europe and Asian Amazon outlets.
Flying for Peanuts
- Flying for Peanuts, by Frank Lorenzo. I also had a hand in this book, collaborating with Lorenzo on
the project for a time. But this is not why I’m recommending it. This is Lorenzo’s memoirs. He was a key player in the US airline industry for 25 years and, yes, he left the industry in 1990. Lorenzo was among the first to recognize the opportunities and the threats US deregulation of 1978 represented to the airline industry. He owned the smallest “local service” airline and faced going out of business unless he grew Texas International exponentially and rapidly. Even before deregulation became law, he persuaded the regulator to grant him the ability to adopt very low, unrestricted, system-wide fares branded Peanut Fares (hence the name of the book). Traffic and profits exploded. He sought to grow by making tender offers for other airlines. He lost some and won some and, in the process, incurred the wrath of the labor unions who understood all too well that his business model would infect the other airlines. This is a great read and history of that era, which transformed US airlines and eventually spread to the rest of the world.
Slow, methodical process to restore Boeing’s trust, efficiencies
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By Scott Hamilton
Nov. 28, 2024, © Leeham News: Boeing’s path forward will be slow progress, as the company recovers from a 53 days strike by its largest union, the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace workers, official said Tuesday.
“Where do we stand as Boeing today? Now that our IAM teammates are back, we have the task of resuming production. And it’s much harder to turn things on than to turn lines off,” said Michael Haidinger, president of Boeing’s European and Middle Eastern regions.
Michael Haidinger. Credit: Boeing.
Haidinger appeared before the Aviation Forum 2024, a suppliers-oriented conference held this year in Munich.
“It’s critical for us and for [suppliers] that we do that right. We cannot afford another mistake in our production system. Therefore, our safety and quality management system will guide us and determine the speed through this production restart in the Seattle region in the very near future.”
