Leeham News and Analysis
There's more to real news than a news release.
There's more to real news than a news release.
Leeham News and Analysis
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Paris Air Show, Day 2
To us the biggest news coming out of Day 2 was not the launch of the Boeing 787-10–this was widely expected–but the suggestion by Boeing CEO Jim McNerney that he might seek a waiver to the mandatory age 65 retirement to hang around a bit more.
We comment on this in another post.
Otherwise, today was pretty anti-climactic: Airbus won easyJet–this had been reported as likely. Boeing launched the 787-10 with the expected launch customers. Boeing added five sales to the largely dormant 747-8I program. The Wall Street Journal has a somewhat cheeky view of Airbus’ sales targets, with Boeing’s Randy Tinseth predictably churlish.
And it rained and rained and rained. We’re glad we’re in Seattle.
Company managers agreeing to targets that they are sure they can achieve? I am shocked, shocked that this is going on! 🙂 Oh, and I’m sure Mr. Tinseth would be happier if he had sold some more planes…
“Boeing CEO Jim McNerney that he might seek a waiver to the mandatory age 65 retirement to hang around a big more.”
I think you mean he wants to hang around a BIT more.
No problem, on the keyboard the “G” is just under the “T”.
I saw that 5 new order for the B-747-8I by KE, they also ordered 6 B-777-300ERs. With the B-747-8Fs in the fleet (3), with 5 more to be delivered, and now two orders totaling 10 B-747-8Is, KE will have the second largest fleet of B-747-8s in the world, with 18. LH will have 19 B-747-8s, all “I” models.
I think the third largest will be Air China, with five … and then Arik Air, with two. And fifth largest, oh wait, there are only four -8I customers.
It rained??? Maybe elsewhere, but not in Paris on Day 2!
Rain? Where? 8 a clock in the morning and 30 °C in the office…
On Monday it rained and there are thundershowers this Wednesday morning, but there was no rain on Day 2. I’ve got sunburn to prove it 🙂
With all the recent orders for Boeing, it seems that they might just “win” the show 😉
http://www.pdxlight.com/pas13.htm
175 737NG for RyanAir … I’m only surprised that B can find that many available delivery slots for the NG.
Does anybody know how many NG slots are still left? Apparently Airbus has around 100 left at the moment.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-oleary-breaks-air-show-boycott-with-737-order-387444/
Seems that O’Leary felt like straighting Boeing out with regards to fuel burn comparisons with the A320. And concluding that the only difference between the planes in that regard is made by the number of seats.
Fuel efficiency per seat is what Boeing stresses in presentations, so the O’Leary comment is consistent with Boeing’s PR efforts.
See our post about production rates.
http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/paris-air-show-day-3-a320-737-production-rates-of-50-seen/
Although Airbus and Boeing tend to dominate airshows at Paris and Farnborough, I am more interested in the news from second rank manufacturers. eg Embraer’s new e-jet on the first day and a significant order for ATR yesterday.
Slightly off-topic, Ben Sandlilands recalls his experiences reporting the Paris Airshow 40 years ago. Concorde had a literal fly off with its Soviet counterpart, a Tupolev TU-144, resulting in the fatal crash of the Soviet plane.
Very interesting article.
Link: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2013/06/16/the-day-the-red-star-fell-to-earth-at-le-bourget/
And the fact that BBD has been skunked (commercial side)… yet again. No CRJs and Qs, which they desperately need to keep the lines open at Mirabel while they get the CSeries up and running. No orders for CSeries. On the Biz Jet side they did ok, getting 40 orders on day 2 for the Challenger 350.
The situation between the Q400 and the ATR is almost a sad joke now. ATR is flat out wiping the floor with BBD. You have to wonder how much longer BBD is going to be in the Turboprop business. More importantly, who will replace them? The airlines don’t like a monopoly, and that’s the way it’s trending. The MA600 isn’t viable, neither are the various Russian Antonov versions. The Koreans and Indians have flirted with making a Turboprop for years, but nothing has emerged, and it would take at least a decade to come out. ATR is sitting pretty.
You are correct in your assessment except BBD did get three orders for the Q400 (from Horizon), though in the point of your comment that hardly matters.
I think the WSJ will agree that it’s a lot(understatement) better to predict low and beat it, than predict high and fail to reach it. I’m pretty sure Airbus won’t be disappointed if they predicted 700 at the start and end up with 800+ That’s a good kind of “wrong”