Interview with John Leahy: A380 sales strategy going forward

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By Bjorn Fehrm


Jan 14 2015: In our deep analysis of the Airbus A380, we concluded that there is nothing wrong with the basic economics of the giant airplane. In fact, with today’s fuel prices, the aircraft’s Direct Operating Costs (DOC) are 20% belowLeeham logo with Copyright message compact its alternatives in the market.  Yet the aircraft is experiencing its worst sales drought since its launch, despite adding a leasing alternative during 2014 and efforts by Airbus.

To understand why and what Airbus plans to do about it we arranged for an exclusive interview with Airbus Chief Operating Officer-Customers, John Leahy, at the sidelines of Airbus annual press conference.


  • Our assessment of A380’s cost of operation
  • Operating airlines experience with the A380
  • Airbus sales strategy to date and changes going forward


A380 costs of operation

We quickly agreed that while our numbers were not exactly the same as Airbus, the overall economics of the A380 are convincing. At industry average load factors, the aircraft has the lowest per seat Direct and Cash Operating Costs (DOC, COC) of any aircraft flying today. On a more elementary level, our analysis shows a fuel consumption per seat similar to a Boeing 777-300ER; Airbus has this a bit lower. But it would be a matter of seating densities, we agreed, where Leeham’s assumptions might be a bit different to Airbus.

We also agreed that cash operating costs analysis shows that four engines are not more expensive to operate than two. We could even agree that the aircraft was selling at a very good price, basically close to cost, which influenced the Direct Operating Costs positively.

“Yes, I can agree the aircraft as sold today is a bargain,” Leahy said. “It is natural when sales are slow”.

But then he says, “The real clue is that load factors for an A380 is not the usual 75%-80%. The aircraft is a passenger magnet. Wherever it gets deployed, it reaches load factors approaching 90% and the airline increases its market share on the destination.  Airlines that actually operate the A380 are more than happy with its performance.”

So where is the problem then?

“The problem lies in convincing the revenue side of airlines that they can operate an aircraft the size of the A380 and be successful with it,” explains Leahy. “It is like Mark Lapidus, CEO of Amedeo, explained in [Leeham News’] interview, the revenue side of the airline together with its marketing are risk averse. In, for example, the US market, these departments have been successful with capacity reduction rather than expansion and they don’t necessarily want to take a personal risk by standing behind something they have not seen anyone of their home market peers having done successfully”.

“I guess we have underestimated the problem,” Leahy said. “We should probably have done more to change prevailing sentiments, but we see a chance to do that in the coming years. Airlines will be able to test the A380 at a much lower risk level.”

A380 at reduced risk

“In  a few years’ time, the first A380s from Singapore and Emirates will come off their lease [2017 for first aircraft from Singapore]. These will be 10 year old aircraft which are at their half life,” says Leahy. He then explains how this changes things.

“We will work with Amedeo to remarket these aircraft to the airlines that have been interested but not wanting to take the risk of a new aircraft,” said Leahy. “After refurbishment, the airlines can operate these A380 at the lease cost of a 777-300ER. It will be a very good opportunity for a number of airlines that have not yet put the A380 in their network, to experience the passenger attraction it has and that they can earn money with it and gain market share.”

Leahy said this is the major change he sees in the sales situation for A380 before airport congestion will solve the problem once and for all. He also admits that Airbus has to increase its efforts in correcting common misconceptions in the market. We said we believe this has to be a year of increased focus on A380; the other Airbus programs are in good shape and are selling well, but the A380 is not. “We have to do more, this is clear,” said Leahy.

Remarketed A380, at what price?

We have in preparing this article checked on present lease rates for the A380 using appraiser Collateral Verifications (CV) “Turbine Aircraft Guide”.  CV puts leasing costs for a new A380 at $2m per month. This compares with current leasing payments of Emirates’ 2008-delivered A380 and these were around $1.7m per month during 2014.

A seven year old A380 would have a monthly lease of around $1m, according to CV, which is the rate of a five year old 777-300ER according to the guide. A new Boeing 777-300ER would be leasing for $1.35m, so a 10 year old A380 would be below that, probably at around 75% of the lease rate of a new 777-300ER (CV’s guide does not go beyond 2007, the EIS year of the A380, so we estimated the figure). At a normalized passenger capacity which is 40% higher, it will be interesting to watch the effect of used A380 coming into the market come 2017.

4 Comments on “Interview with John Leahy: A380 sales strategy going forward

  1. Hello Bjorn
    Thank you very much !
    By the way, best wishes for 2015 and notably a sunny and strike free PAS2015 😀

    Bregier and/or Leahy said that securing a new A380 operator (or more) this year is the goal (and i understand is achievable)

    Did you get more insight on the overhaul costs (or cost per flight hour) of GE90-115 vs GP7200 / T900 ?

    It looks like that T900 can be improvement by 1.5 to 2% SFC (, and that can be a driver to switch EK waiting for the NEO that is assumed to be RR powered

    Best regards

    • Hi Poncho,

      all the best as well. The engine maintenance costs are in the COC tables in the A380 deep analysis, on a normalized level ie per seat or transported passenger they are lower. These are the costs for Trent 900 but the costs for GP7200 are also lower, they are similar. It busts the myth that 4 engines are more expensive to maintain than 2 engines, it all depends on the case at hand.

  2. The evolution of the dollar / euro exchange rate could also have a positive impact on A380 sales. As the A380 is the most expensive airplane, the impact could be very significant :
    List price – $428 M
    If 1 euro = 1,4 dollar, the list price is 305 M
    If 1 euro = 1,17 dollar (current exchange rate), the list price in euros is 365 M (60 million more)
    Let’s assume a 50 % discount, that still means a difference of 30 million.
    The impact won’t be immediate due to hedges but it will surely counts in the future.

    • Hi Daniel,

      agree. I don’t know to what level the sub-supplier contracts are in $ (a rather large portion I assume) so it will only help in part of the value add. Final Assembly (FAL) is in € but that only constitute around 5-10% of the aircraft cost base so 90-95% of the costs are in sub-supplier contracts and I would guess a majority of them are in $.

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