April 23, 2015: United Airlines announced its 1Q2015 earnings today (which will eventually be posted with commentary on SkyWriterAviation.aero). What caught our eye in the press release was the following. United will:
Removing 130 50-seat aircraft is a lot of lift, being replaced by Embraer E175s through its partners. We understand Boeing is pitching those 25 E-Jets it will take in on trade from Air Canada as part of the 737 MAX deal to United.
Exchanging the Boeing 787-9s for the 777-300ERs is, by now, anti-climactic. This deal has been in the works since late last year. UA already released the 789 delivery slots back to Boeing and some of these already have been placed with other carriers. This deal is part of Boeing’s all-out effort to fill the production gap for the 777. The UA 777s are believed to be scheduled for delivery in 2017 and 2018. Our Market Intelligence indicates the pricing to UA of about $130m-$135m, including Buyer Furnished Equipment. This is a substantial discount to the usual market price of $150m to $170m.
Extending the operation of UA’s 767-300ERs is something we reported in our Aviation Partners Boeing article. We reported that APB is planning a scimitar feature for the Boeing 757 and 767, with United interested in this additional technology. The addition of the scimitar will result in a further economic savings of 1.5%, APB calculates.
Shifting some of the 757Ws from the Atlantic to US domestic and Latin America, replacing them with the 767-300ERs, accomplishes several things. The 767s allow for growth in the 757s markets; better passenger appeal is achieved; the occasional fuel tech stop required by 757s is eliminated; and UA is able to increase service on long-thin routes in Latin America. Shifting some 777-200s from international to domestic is a particularly interesting development. This returns this aircraft to markets not seen in decades. UA hasn’t said which markets will be assigned to the 777s, but we’d guess US trans-con in the hotly competitive New York-LA/SFO markets are going to be beneficiaries. It will be interesting to see what American and Delta airlines and JetBlue will do in responses. United at one time operated the 777-200 between Seattle and Chicago.
Acquisition of more used aircraft is not a surprise to those of us inside the industry. We’ve heard of UA looking for more Boeing 737NGs for some time.
Why not buy some new 767-300ER? It may be awhile before the MOM is delivered.
Why buy new, when Qantas retired its whole fleet of 767-300ER there were about half a dozen with under 10 years use.
“The 767s allow for growth in the 757s markets; better passenger appeal is achieved; the occasional fuel tech stop required by 757s is eliminated;”
They weren’t occasional at all and a Media drama hurting the United and Star Alliance Brand. Frequent flyers / connection flyers were avoiding them like hell & do a search on the social media..
After finding a solution, even United was honest about when they send around this internal memo:
“We are making aircraft upgauges on some routes between EWR and locations in Europe beginning this fall to help reduce fuel stops and to meet customer demand and cargo opportunities in these markets.
We were already replacing Boeing 757s with Boeing 767s on flights from EWR to BCN (Barcelona, Spain) and TXL (Berlin) this summer and now they will continue as 767s year-round.
We will make the same upgauges from EWR to HAM (Hamburg, Germany) and MAD (Madrid, Spain) effective Oct. 25.
The upgauge to 767s will reduce fall and winter fuel stops on westbound flights due to high winds and improve our reliability on these routes.
We will load the changes into SHARES on April 18. ”
About the 787/777 switch, I guess this is very good news for Boeing and United got great cheap capacity. Win-Win! The 787 back-log reduced with a few underpriced 787s won’t cause any loss of sleep and they are less needed while the 767 stay longer. Well done United / Boeing IMO.
“Exchange 10 787 orders with Boeing for 10 777-300ERs for delivery beginning in 2016.”
Is that a 1 for 1 swap or does it include tab changing ?
“Exchanging the Boeing 787-9s for the 777-300ERs is, by now, anti-climatic.”
I think you mean “anti-climactic” as in having no climax as opposed to “anti-climatic” meaning opposed to the weather… although I suppose if the 777-300ER has higher carbon emissions than the 787-9 both might apply!
Ooops.
Far be it from me to not have climax.
Why no scimitars for Airbus planes?
They’re just replacing them, sort of?
Scimitars are currently a development of Aviation Partners Boeing. ‘Nuf said.
Well I think we should add in that Aviation Partners built and proposed the Winglet for the A320.
Airbus claims they came out with their own (hmmm) and Aviation Partners is suing Airbus for copying their curved winglet that now goes on the A320.
It certainly looks identical to what Aviation Partners builds and proposed, though of course lawyers will put in the techno mumbo jumbo that conclusively proves it is not (Airbus lawyers of course)
Aviation partners patent has been voided afaik.
Any citations to go with that statement?
afair this is the entry point:
https://leehamnews.com/2012/08/08/odds-and-ends-seeking-an-injunction-against-a320-sharklet-sales-more/#comment-14894
At that time it was in “reexamination”
I’ve looked there last year and all the core items had been voided.
Let me rephrase that.is there any technical or intellectual property problem that prevents aviation partners Boeing from supplying scimitars to Airbus customers.or anything to prevent Airbus designing something similar.
What about the A350?
I would to see united cancel the a350 for some dirty cheap 777s
Some would argue that UA’s current fleet is already dirty enough …
are you going to do evaluations of delta and american’s fleet plans also?
DL and UA haven’t announced alterations to their existing fleet plans, so no immediate plans to do so.
I see United soon ordering about 50 A321 NEO to start with, even without taking the Atlantic issue into consideration. Because they have the requirement and DL, AA, US, JetBlue operating Transcon do it too. Despite having large 737 fleets/ orders.
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/8/4/2537483.jpg
Something that made me chuckle a bit…
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/ditching-dreamliners-here-s-why-united-just-bought-a-bunch-of-older-airplanes
This goes a bit further than his previous “drug-like rush” remark on the CFRP 787’s early customer frenzy.
Discussing this a decade ago was not done. Anyone doubting clearly didn’t understand.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/2664716
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