Bombardier’s CSeries is one of three new or derivative airliner to take to the skies, along with the Airbus A350-900 and the Boeing 787-9. But its flight test program is going at a pace far behind the Big Two. Only a handful more flights occurred since its first one on September 16, with a full 27 days between the third and fourth flights.
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The latter occurred on October 30, the day before Bombardier’s third quarter earnings call. Thus it was with great anticipation that aerospace analysts who follow BBD, and the media, hoped for some clarity about the pace of the program and whether entry-into-service would be delayed.
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Those listeners and participants on the earnings call were disappointed. Pierre Beaudoin, president and CEO, said the testing program is what Bombardier laid out from the beginning and that the paucity of flights isn’t of concern or indicative of anything amiss.
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But aerospace analysts weren’t convinced. Stock traded down 10% and a few analysts downgraded the stock. It must be noted that there were other factors: aircraft and train deliveries were short of target, contributing to the disappoint. And Embraer, which reported earnings the same week, also missed targets and suffered similar stock declines and some analyst downgrades.
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Beaudoin continued to maintain the target for EIS is 12 months from the first flight. With 2,400 flight hours required, even with five CS100 and two CS300 Flight Test Vehicles, Bombardier will be challenged to meet this target.
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The CSeries Flight Test Vehicle #1 has had a dearth of flying compared with the Boeing 787-9 and the Airbus A350-900. So how does BBD, so far, believe it can stick to its entry-into-service timeline of 12 months from first flight on September 16?
Because it will have seven FTVs (five CS-100s and two CS-300s) in the flight test program instead of the five for Airbus and the initial plan of five or six for the Boeing 787. This, plus the ground time in the CIASTA iron bird.
Beaudoin left plenty of wiggle room for an EIS delay. He said conversations were underway with customers. He said some customers wanted to swap the 110-seat CS100 orders for the larger, 135-seat CS300. He said a program assessment in a few months would tell what the timing will be.
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Even before the earnings call, analyst consensus concluded that EIS will slip from September 2014 (the 12-month target) to 1Q2015 or later. We concluded several months ago that a first quarter 2015 EIS was likely.
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Should this timeline emerge to be correct-or even if it slips to 2Q2015-these delays will still be a far better performance than those of Airbus and Boeing on their A380, A350, 787 and 747-8 programs. But a slip to 2015 will narrow the advantage Bombardier had over Airbus with its New Engine Option, which was a direct response to Bombardier’s clean-sheet CSeries design.
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The Airbus A320neo, who is the next size up from the CS-300 and not truly a direct competitor, is planned to enter service in October 2015. The A319neo-which is the direct competitor to the CS-300-is slated to follow by six months. This, of course, assumes Airbus doesn’t have a delay on its NEO program, but nothing we’ve heard suggests one is in the offing.
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How serious a threat is the narrowing gap to Bombardier? We don’t believe it is much of one. Airbus and Bombardier are already sold out in the near-term, so customers are locked in. There have been on 45 A319neos ordered; we have to wonder whether customers will swap these for the larger A320neo. The A319neo, which is heavy for today’s standards, is a question mark whether it will be built. If so, will it be the next A318, a poor sales model that proved so unpopular that there is no secondary market for this sub-type and it’s already headed for the scrap heap.
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Nor is there much of a threat from Embraer’s E-Jet E2. The E-195 E2, which is sized midway between the CS-100 and the CS-300, doesn’t enter service until 2019 (if on time). The E-190 E2 is the first planned for EIS, in 2018, and this is somewhat smaller than the CS100.
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Nor is Boeing’s 737-7 MAX a threat, despite Bombardier’s EIS slip to date and likelihood for an additional one. The 7 MAX EIS is planned for 2019. Only a handful of these have been sold to two customers, WestJet and Southwest Airlines of the USA. Like the question looming over the A319neo, we wonder if the 7 MAX will be swapped for the larger 8 MAX, or whether the 7 MAX becomes Boeing’s 737-600, another poor-selling sub-type.
Posted on November 7, 2013 by Scott Hamilton
Holy crap. Here’s the story from The Seattle Times.
Posted on November 7, 2013 by Scott Hamilton
It took no time at all for politics to rear its head in Washington State over Gov. Jay Inslee’s proposal for an incentive package for Boeing in exchange for siting the 777X in Everett.
Republicans, who oppose any tax hike for any reason under any circumstances, wasted no time in raising questions over the transportation tax proposal, or even if there was a need for the incentives to clinch the deal.
The IAM 751 local, which has its own problems with its membership over the proposed give-backs in the contract extension, lost no time in marshaling a team to lobby the legislators.
The Tacoma News Tribune asks why a special session is needed at all.
The IAM members vote next Wednesday, Nov. 13, on the contract. It’s unknown yet how the Legislature dynamics will play out.
Posted on November 7, 2013 by Scott Hamilton
Boeing’s Everett Footprint: With the news that Boeing will build 1.5m sf of space for a new 777X Final Assembly Line and wing production facility if the IAM 751 members ratify the new contract and Washington State ponies up on incentives, the obvious question is: what happens with the current Everett plant?
It had been assumed the 777X would be built in the current facility, integrating with and ultimately replacing the current 777 line; or starting off in the space now occupied by the 747-8, which is struggling to stay alive and which many–ourselves included–believe will die off with the advent of the 777-9.
Let’s consider this latest twist.
Over to Readers for your thoughts.
Meanwhile, The Puget Sound Business Journal has this long story on the expected use of robots in building the 777X.
Posted on November 7, 2013 by Scott Hamilton
With the release by IAM 751 of the summary of the contract terms to be voted on next week by the membership as one step required for Boeing to select Everett as the assembly site for the 777X, the cover letter reveals Boeing will build “buildings” totaling 1.5m sf–to “house 777X final assembly and wing production.”
The total square footage equals one-third the size of the 4.5m sf of the entire Everett Boeing plant.
A Boeing spokesman declined to comment on the IAM 751 facilities statement, saying the company isn’t commenting on the “specifics” of the contract. We learned separately that a wetland assessment has been underway at Paine Field at the prospective site; Snohomish County (where Paine Field is located) undertook the study.
Posted on November 6, 2013 by Scott Hamilton
Lufthansa on Airbus’ 18-inch seat plan: Nein! Runway Girl Network (Mary Kirby’s new venture) reports that Lufthansa’s fleet planner doesn’t think much of the Airbus campaign to make coach seat width an 18-inch standard for the industry.
Lion Air: Aviation Week has an article that falls short of a full profile of Lion Air but one which discusses some of the thinking of those huge airplane orders.
Boeing on IAM deal: In the crush and rush of the events yesterday, we didn’t see this Boeing statement on the tentative agreement for extend the IAM contract for eight years in exchange for building the 777X in Seattle.
CSeries: It looks like software upgrades, vibration and shimmy tests are done and flight testing in back on track. Yesterday Bombardier’s CSeries had its fifth flight and its sixth appears coming today, according to Fliegerfaust, a blog mostly dedicated to CSeries news.
Posted on November 6, 2013 by Scott Hamilton
Update, Nov. 6, 10:00am PST: A summary by IAM 751 of the contract details is here.
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Here’s our take on the news that the IAM and Boeing reached a tentative agreement leading to the selection of Washington State as the assembly site for the 777X, contingent on contract ratification and the Legislature approving an incentive package:
A big question mark:
As we previously wrote, extending the 787 tax breaks to the 777X through 2040 (with a value of $8bn, more or less) is problematic. These were ruled illegal by the World Trade Organization in the US (Boeing) vs Europe (Airbus) trade dispute claims and counter-claims. The finding is under appeal, but what happens if the finding is upheld? Then what?
Lots to do:
The IAM membership has to approve the tentative contract; a vote is planned next week. Members will have to get past the benefit reductions, offset to some degree by a generous signing bonus and additional benefits for early retirees.
The Legislature has a lot of moving parts to look at in the next week. The challenges are daunting.
Recommendation:
IAM: Although perhaps painful and anathema, ratify the contract.
Legislature: Approve the package, including the new transportation taxes.
Posted on November 5, 2013 by Scott Hamilton
The International Association of Machinists and Boeing have a tentative agreement that means the Boeing 777X will be built in Everett. The new contract is eight years, to 2024.
The IAM membership is to vote on the contract next week.
Gov. Jay Inslee has called a special session beginning tomorrow to approve a bi-partisan incentive package. Inslee said that if the IAM membership and the Legislature approve the packages, the 777X will be built here.
The state package includes:
All this has to be approved in a week.
Inslee noted that this deal “reverses the outflow of work from this state.”
Inslee’s statement is below the jump.
Posted on November 5, 2013 by Scott Hamilton
Looking toward the South: As a follow-up to our previous post, Implications of the IAM-Boeing talks on 777X, here is a commentary from The Wall Street Journal about the migration of US industry to the South, were unions have a more difficult time.
Lion Air and CSeries: Indonesia’s Lion Air, which made news a few months ago with the prospect of a large order for the Bombardier CSeries, poured cold water on the prospect of placing one any time soon, according to this article in Aviation Week. Seeing actual flight test results from the larger CS300 is key, the airline’s head told AvWeek.
We previously raised our own doubts about the prospect of another large order because of the prospect of over-commitment of existing orders from Airbus and Boeing.
But Lion Air told The Wall Street Journal that an order for 50 CSeries could come by the end of the first quarter. A key piece of information in the AvWeek and WSJ articles is this, from the WSJ:
Mr. Kirana said Bombardier claims the larger of two CSeries models with 160 seats will be able to fly with the same economics as much larger Airbus A320neo jets, which carry around 160 to 180 passengers. He said the Bombardier CS300 jet’s range and economics makes it attractive for new longer international routes to smaller cities in China.
787 Fuel Advantage: In the never-ending war of words between Airbus and Boeing, readers know we always connect with airlines to cross-check what the OEMs say.
As readers also know, Boeing promotes its 787 as being 20%-25% more fuel efficient than today’s airplanes. With the (also) never-ending prospect of Airbus proceeding with an A330neo, the question arises over what the delta is between the A330 and the 787. We asked a fleet planner. The answer: 10% in favor of the 787, a gap that an A330neo could narrow considerably (but be unlikely to close altogether) with new engines and sharklets. So how about that 20%-25%? These figures compare with the 767 and A340 respectively, the fleet planner tells us.
Posted on November 5, 2013 by Scott Hamilton
Update, Nov. 5, 11am PST: The Seattle Times has this update of the secret talks (well, not secret any more) between the IAM and Boeing over the site location for the 777X. Boeing wants health care and pension costs cut. These were key issues in the SPEEA contract negotiations (in the end, pensions were shifted from defined benefit to 401(k) for new employees but health care cuts were saved for another day).
When the health care and pension plans came under Boeing attack in the SPEEA negotiations, behind the scenes the IAM was said to be already planning to gear up to hold the line when the current contract expires in 2016.
The Seattle Times report also includes some reaction to the leaked terms.
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The news that the International Association of Machinists has been engaged in secret talks to win Boeing’s site selection for the 777X for Everett (WA) carries implications beyond the obvious jobs, economic benefits and Washington vs South Carolina rivalry.
Reuters broke the story. The Seattle Times has more detail.
As readers of this column know, we’ve suggested that the Washington Legislature consider making the State a right-to-work state. Understandably, this suggestion hasn’t gone down well with IAM 751, the local here in Puget Sound, with SPEEA, the engineers’ union, or with Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat with close ties to the unions.
We have urged this consideration because Boeing has been moving SPEEA jobs out of state and has leveraged South Carolina (a right-to-work state) against Washington.
If the IAM and Boeing reach an agreement to extend the current contract from 2016 to the mid-2020s (we believe 10 years to 2026 seems to make sense), assuring Boeing steady production, many of the issues facing Boeing that enable it to leverage RTW over unionized Washington become moot.
RTW has been a sword wielded by Boeing over the IAM and Washington. It has been a sword of Damocles. The IAM, typically a highly militant union, took an enlightened approach two years ago when it extended a contract in place by four years in exchange for Boeing selecting the Renton (WA) plant for the final assembly line for the 737 MAX. This prospective 777X deal would carry this innovative approach further.
Secondly, we have heard–anecdotally to be sure–that customers are concerned over the prospect of Boeing Charleston being selected because of the history of quality control challenges from this 787 assembly site, preferring the proven history of Everett’s quality control.
Next up, SPEEA is now faced with coming to a peace agreement. After a highly contentious contract negotiation last year, culminating in an odd set of ratification votes early this year, Boeing has systematically moved SPEEA jobs out of state. As the weaker of the two unions, SPEEA needs to use the example of the IAM to tone down the rhetoric. We know conversations are underway. We don’t know what direction they are taking, however. But if SPEEA can follow IAM’s example, aerospace in Washington State will be able to look at the future with more confidence.
The trick will be for Washington politicians to avoid becoming complacent, as it has time and time and time again.
Posted on November 4, 2013 by Scott Hamilton