Leeham News and Analysis
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787-10 to come later than suggested
The Boeing 787-10 will come much later than most suggestions, according to this article by Bloomberg.It was widely thought that Boeing Commercial would go to the Board by year-end to seek an Authority to Offer (ATO) the plane by year-end of next year, with an EIS perhaps around 2016.
Boeing officials bragged that this model would have superior economics and would be an “A330-300 killer.” It would also replace the 777-200ER.
Now, according to Bloomberg, no move to the Board is apparently imminent and the prospect of the EIS moves to the end of this decade.
What does this mean for the 777X? Does this mean the X timeline moves up? Boeing has been saying it’s not in a hurry due to what it believes to be uncertainty over the Airbus A350-1000.
Update: Boeing contacted us to say that nothing has changed in its timeline as outlined in the news article.
Odds and Ends: More on 100-149 seat jet market; aircraft op cost comparisons; Super Guppy
100-149 Seat Market: AirInsight has more on its study of the 100-149 Seat Market analysis and why it will be turbulent in the next five years.
Cost Comparisons: Aspire Aviation has a long article on the Cathay Pacific Airways earnings but to us the most interesting parts are the operating cost comparisons between various CX fleet types. It’s all buried in the article.
Super-Guppy: The Puget Sound Business Journal has a video from inside the NASA Boeing Super Guppy. 
Based on the old Boeing Stratocruiser, the Super Guppy is a specialty airplane originally designed to transport Atlas rockets. Later, Airbus used them to transport fuselage sections around Europe to final assembly in Toulouse. This is probably the last operating variant of any B-377/C-97/KC-97. It’s the last of the Super Guppies. With the retirement of the NASA Shuttle fleet, we wonder what will become of this airplane.
Boeing and SPEEA: the debate heats up
Boeing’s engineers’ union, SPEEA, has been pretty vocal in its campaign to members with internal statements, its website and on Twitter–the latter certainly read by media.
Boeing now has launched a public website of its own.
Odds and Ends: Seeking an injunction against A320 sharklet sales; more
A320 Sharklets: Remember the lawsuits between Aviation Partners and Airbus over winglets and sharklets? AP wants an injunction against A320 sharklet sales. That sure got Airbus’ attention.
American and US Airways: Bloomberg has a long piece on US Airways’ effort to acquire American Airlines.
Emirates Airlines: The fast-growing carrier is about to become the world’s third largest.
Airbus and US Spending: Airbus wants to double its US supply-chain sourcing to $24bn.
Boeing BWB: This article has some pictures of Boeing’s latest version of the Blended Wing Body research model.
Boeing appears to finally drop 737-600
Boeing has updated its price list and for the first time, the price for the 737-600 is missing. Boeing hasn’t sold a 737-600 since 2005. In June, Boeing told us the model was still being offered. Not any more, apparently. We’ve sent an inquiry to Boeing for an official statement.
Update, 12:30pm: Boeing gave us this statement at 0900 but we’ve been away from the computer until now:
- Should customers request to order a Next-Generation 737-600, BCA Sales will work with the customer to meet their requirements.
- The Next-Generation 737-600 model will continue to be supported by the 737 Program.
We note that this statement doesn’t really confirm or deny the discontinuation of the 737-600 offering.
Update, 3:45pm: Linda Lee, the 737 program spokesperson, got back to us with this slightly expanded response from that offered by a non-program spokesman earlier today. Lee said:
| Old $mm | New $mm | Diff$mm | % Diff | |
| B737-600 | 59.4 | 0 | -59.4 | -100% |
| B737-7 MAX | 77.7 | 82 | 4.3 | 6% |
| B737-700 | 70.9 | 74.8 | 3.9 | 6% |
| B737-8 MAX | 95.2 | 100.5 | 5.3 | 6% |
| B737-800 | 84.4 | 89.1 | 4.7 | 6% |
| B737-9 MAX | 101.7 | 107.3 | 5.6 | 6% |
| B737-900ER | 89.6 | 94.6 | 5.0 | 6% |
| B747-8 | 332.9 | 351.4 | 18.5 | 6% |
| B747-8F | 333.5 | 352 | 18.5 | 6% |
| B767-200ER | 151.5 | 160.2 | 8.7 | 6% |
| B767-300ER | 173.1 | 182.8 | 9.7 | 6% |
| B767-300ERF | 175.4 | 185.4 | 10.0 | 6% |
| B767-400ER | 190.2 | 200.8 | 10.6 | 6% |
| B777-200ER | 244.7 | 258.8 | 14.1 | 6% |
| B777-200F | 280.1 | 295.7 | 15.6 | 6% |
| B777-200LR | 275.8 | 291.2 | 15.4 | 6% |
| B777-300ER | 298.3 | 315 | 16.7 | 6% |
| B787-8 | 193.5 | 206.8 | 13.3 | 7% |
| B787-9 | 227.8 | 243.6 | 15.8 | 7% |
Boeing nabs Airbus customer SilkAir
Boeing won an important, symbolic victory over Airbus in the neo v MAX competition by nabbing SilkAir, heretofore an exclusive Airbus A320 family customer.
SilkAir will order up to 68 Boeing 737-800s and -8 MAXes.
After Airbus grabbed three 737 customers for its neo family, Boeing vowed to aggressively go after Airbus operators. SilkAir is the first win in this effort.
Odds and Ends: the cost of a 737-800; Planes take off despite ground mishap; ‘We know about this’
Boeing 737-800: Wells Fargo’s aerospace analyst team issued a note today that confirms its previous calculations that American Airlines is paying $40m-$41m for its 737-800s.
Update, August 1: We received this note from Wells Fargo: What was confirmed was AA’s SELLING price to AerCap and ILFC, NOT what AA is paying.
American Airlines: AirInsight has this analysis of the current American Airlines situation.
Speaking of American: Flight Global has this story about how an American 767-300ER and a Ryanair 737-800 brushed each other on the ground all pilots were unaware and both airplanes took off.
One more American: The Seattle Post-Intelligencer has this series of 49 photos and airline liveries, past and present, starting with American.
And then there is Alaska Airlines: A passenger snapped this photo on an Alaska Airlines flight. Via NYCAviation’s Tweet.
SPEEA, Boeing contract: Don’t expect an “IAM breakthrough”
SPEEA, the engineers union at Boeing, and the company appear to be at odds in the early stages of contract negotiations and there appears virtually no chance of a surprise breakthrough similar to the IAM 751-Boeing contract last December.
People familiar with the situation on both sides say they are hunkered down for traditional contract negotiations in advance of the October 4 amendable date.
SPEEA suggested in June 2011 that both sides go to binding arbitration as a first, not last step as a way to speed up a contract and avoid protracted, potentially contentious negotiations. Boeing declined, according to SPEEA and confirmed by a person familiar with the Boeing position. According to two sources, Boeing didn’t want to give up decision-making to a third party. Boeing also didn’t see the urgency or need to avoid normal contract negotiations, according to the person familiar with the Boeing thinking.