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More Odds and Ends: Aircraft list prices, airline break-even

Aircraft List Prices: It took some doing, but we’ve collected the list prices of all the major commercial airplanes. The comparisons are interesting. We’ve tabulated these into seat categories.

List prices, of course, have no relationship to what customers actually pay. Discounts of 25%-30% are common and really good customers–like Southwest Airlines for Boeing–have been known to get discounts of up to 60%.

There are several notables in this list:

Compare the pricing of the C919 and the MS-21 to the Airbus and Boeing products;
Compare the Q400NG to the ATR-72-600;
Compare Airbus to Boeing; and
Compare CSeries to 737-600/700 and there isn’t that much difference; the gap is wider compared with Airbus.

Is there any particular point to this? Not really–it’s just one of those facts that intrigue us and a host of aviation geeks.

34 Comments

Posted on February 14, 2012 by Scott Hamilton

Airbus, Airlines, ATR, Boeing, Bombardier, Comac, Embraer

Airbus, aircraft prices, airlines, ATR, Boeing, Bombardier, Comac, Embraer, Lufthansa Airlines, Scott McCartney, Southwest Airlines, Wall Street Journal

C919 gains but loses advantages

Here is an article we did for FlightGlobal Pro.

After a slow and disappointing start compared with expectations that had been set in advance of the Zhuhai Air Show in November 2010, Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China’s (Comac) C919 has picked up steam.

Prior to Zhuhai, Chinese authorities forecast “hundreds” of orders would be announced for China’s first indigenously built mainline jet since the reverse-engineered Boeing 707 copy that never entered commercial service. Instead, a disappointing 55 firm orders and 50 options were announced.

Since then, there are about 250 orders and options now on the books. According to Flightglobal’s Ascend Online database, 160 of these are firm orders from nine Chinese customers, including four lessors. China’s “big three” airlines, Air China, China Eastern and China Southern, ordered a disappointing five aircraft each. Hainan ordered 20. Some of the announced orders have yet to be firmed up as contracts.

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Posted on January 5, 2012 by Scott Hamilton

Airbus, Boeing, Comac

737 MAX, A320NEO, Airbus, Boeing, C919, Comac

China won’t be competitor for 20 years: Leahy

China’s emerging commercial aerospace industry won’t be a viable competitor to Airbus and Boeing for 20 years, predicts John Leahy, COO Customers of Airbus.

Speaking at the Credit Suisse Aerospace conference in New York, Leahy noted the challenges COMAC has with the ARJ21 regional jet; and the development of the C919 mainline aircraft, neither will commercially be an effective aircraft compared with today’s aircraft from Western companies.

Boeing’s Jim Albaugh, CEO of Commercial Airplanes, speaking separately at the same event, agreed. He also said Boeing has erected “high walls” around its technology, and will maintain its lead over China by building “tomorrow’s airplane” while China is building “today’s airplane.”

Albaugh acknowledged there is some technology transfer of today’s generation.

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Posted on November 30, 2011 by Scott Hamilton

Airbus, Boeing, Comac

Airbus, ARJ21, Boeing, C919, Comac

Odds and Ends: ARJ-21, C919, MAX, 777X

There are several stories of note today:

Aviation Week: China’s turboprops exports lead the way.

Aviation Week: Plan for C919 hits snags.

FlightGlobal: Caution welcomed on Boeing’s 737 MAX.

FlightGlobal: Emirates presses Boeing for better 777.

Seattle Times: WA State has to keep 737 MAX.

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Posted on September 12, 2011 by Scott Hamilton

Airbus, Boeing, Comac

777, A350-100, A350-900, Airbus, ARJ-21, Boeing, C919, Comac, Emirates Airlines

For Boeing: when one door closes, another door opens

There’s a saying that when one door closes on an opportunity, another door opens. This is the case with Boeing’s decision to proceed with a 737 re-engine. We first wrote about this in a previous post. Max-Kinglsey Jones of Airline Business picked up the theme in his recent blog.

There’s no question Boeing’s march down the path to re-engining was driven by Airbus, it was embarrassing and it was messy. Having said that, the re-engine frees resources and money to concentrate on getting the 787-9 right, launching the 787-10 and deciding what to do with the 777-300ER to meet the competition of the re-defined A350-1000.

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Posted on July 23, 2011 by Scott Hamilton

Airbus, Boeing, Bombardier, Comac, CSeries, EADS, Embraer

737, A320, Airbus, American Airlines, Boeing, Bombardier, Comac, CSeries, EADS, Embraer

Paris Air Show outlook

There are several items looking at the Paris Air Show outlook:

AirInsight had a live discussion Friday with Addison Schonland, Richard Aboulafia and Ernie Arvai hosting it. The transcript is here.

AirInsight also published a lengthy written preview of what to expect from all the major airframe and engine OEMs here.

Here’s a short-take on Airbus at the show.

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Posted on June 6, 2011 by Scott Hamilton

Airbus, AirInsight, Boeing, Bombardier, CFM, Comac, CSeries, EADS, Embraer

Paris Air Show

Odds and ends: More on DC-7B trip

Here are some more photos from our DC-7B trip. All photos by Scott Hamilton.

This PBY Catalina, a derelict but intact condition, is at the San Juan Airport. Given the loss of a PBY several years ago in a landing accident, could this become a new, restored edition?

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Posted on May 31, 2011 by Scott Hamilton

Airbus, AirInsight, Boeing, Bombardier, Comac, CSeries, EADS, Embraer, Pratt & Whitney

Douglas DC-7, Eastern Airlines DC-7B, Historical Flight Foundation, Military.com

2011 Outlook for Aerospace

Note: this is unusually long, 11 pages when printed.

The new year is here and it is time for our annual look-ahead for the big OEMs.

On a macro level, 2011 should be a good year. Airline passenger and cargo traffic recovery should continue. The global economy also is recovering, but it is almost painfully slow to do so. Still, this is better than some of the alternatives.

Airlines and lessors are likely to continue their order stream that resumed in mid-2010 at the Farnborough Air Show. There could be some key orders that will influence the OEMs and their strategies going forward.

On the military front, we are much more limited in our tracking. We follow the KC-X tanker program because the offerings are based on commercial airliners. We slightly follow the P-8A Poseidon for the same reason, but Boeing pretty much has the monopoly for this type airplane, so there isn’t much to follow.

We do closely follow cybersecurity issues, if for no other reason than it is so important but also because key aerospace companies, including Boeing, have major efforts in this arena.

But by and large, we focus on the OEMs, the emerging competitors and the new engines.

So let’s get to it.

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Posted on January 3, 2011 by Scott Hamilton

air force tanker, Airbus, AirInsight, Boeing, Bombardier, Comac, CSeries, EADS, Embraer, Farnborough Air Show, Pratt & Whitney

737, A320, A320NEO, Airbus, AVIC, Boeing, Bombardier, CFM International, Comac, CSeries, Embraer, Geared Turbo Fan, GTF, LEAP-X

Expectations for the Zhuhai Air Show: C919 yes, CSeries No

The Zhuhai Air Show in China is Nov. 16-21 and there are a number of expectations for it.

First is the expectation in the West that Bombardier will announce the long-awaited Chinese order for the CSeries from China Development Bank (CDB), which earlier this year pledged more than $3bn in airline financing to Bombardier for the Q400, CRJ and CSeries. The Chinese order had widely been expected at the Farnborough Air Show and when it didn’t appear, Bombardier took a huge PR hit and disappointed aerospace analysts.

In fact, we predicted a full week before the Air Show that no CSeries orders would be announced there. We’re going to go out on a limb and predict there won’t be any announced at the Zhuhai show, either.

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Posted on November 1, 2010 by Scott Hamilton

Bombardier, Comac

Bombardier, C919, Comac, CSeries

Boeing skeptical of CSeries, C919, MS-21 EIS

We wrote the following article for Commercial Aviation Online, which appeared yesterday. In case anyone wonders, there is no relation between John Hamilton and us.

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The chief engineer of the 737 program is skeptical of the emerging competitors’ airplanes and the announced entry-into-service (EIS) dates, and this has a clear influence on what Boeing will do to enhance, re-engine or replace the 737 in the coming years.

John Hamilton, in a media briefing on the roll-out 26 October of the 737’s Boeing Sky Interior and a refresher course on the technical enhancements that will be in place next year, said Bombardier is facing new technologies it hasn’t worked with before that places in doubt the promised 2013 EIS of the 110-130 seat CS100. This is a potential replacement for the Boeing 737-500 Classic and the 737-600 Next Generation aircraft.

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Posted on October 28, 2010 by Scott Hamilton

Airbus, Boeing, Bombardier, Comac

Airbus, Airbus A320, Boeing, Boeing 737, Bombardier, C919, CSeries, Irkut, MS-21

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More Odds and Ends: Aircraft list prices, airline break-even

C919 gains but loses advantages

China won’t be competitor for 20 years: Leahy

Odds and Ends: ARJ-21, C919, MAX, 777X

For Boeing: when one door closes, another door opens

Paris Air Show outlook

Odds and ends: More on DC-7B trip

This PBY Catalina, a derelict but intact condition, is at the San Juan Airport. Given the loss of a PBY several years ago in a landing accident, could this become a new, restored edition?

2011 Outlook for Aerospace

Expectations for the Zhuhai Air Show: C919 yes, CSeries No

Boeing skeptical of CSeries, C919, MS-21 EIS

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