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Leeham News and Analysis
- AIN Media Group Agrees to Acquire Leeham News & Analysis June 17, 2025
- Five for Five: Air India crash points to systemic problems at Boeing that CEO Ortberg must fix June 15, 2025
- Airbus sees Boeing as medium-term competitor, with Comac next June 14, 2025
- Boeing bullish on 20-year forecast, despite short-term headwinds June 14, 2025
- Embraer’s 20-year market forecast under 150 seats: fewer turboprops, jets about the same June 14, 2025
Odds and Ends: Airbus and Boeing BBJs; Oops by Sen. Cantwell; positive SPEEA talks
MAX BBJs: Boeing is offering 737-8/9 MAX BBJs but not, as yet, a 7 MAX BBJ. Boeing says it is still studying a 7 MAX BBJ. there have so far been no orders for the 7 MAX.
Airbus ACJ A318: Airbus says it’s offering an enhanced A318 Airbus Corporate Jet. Improvements are mainly to the interior, though the press release says, “These include Sharklets on the wingtips, which make the aircraft look nicer….” The Boeing and Airbus announcements were at the NBAA trade show.
Oops by Cantwell: Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA) is running for reelection. One of her TV ads is called The Hub, in which she promotes Washington State as the Hub for aerospace and her work in Congress on behalf of Boeing.
Only there was a big Oops in the first version: it opened with stock footage of US Airways Airbus A320s. Not only were these not Boeing airplanes, US Airways hasn’t ordered a Boeing since Steve Wolf was CEO–nor has America West, now combined with US Airways, ordered a Boeing aircraft since the 757.
The ad ran for some time on KING 5 (NBC-Seattle) until it was scrubbed and replaced with opening stock footage of a Boeing 767.
All YouTube videos containing the Airbuses have been “removed by the user.” Here is the revised ad.
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Someone in Cantwell’s campaign really muffed this one.
Positive SPEEA talks: Last Friday, Boeing and SPEEA each released statements indicating negotiations have taken a positive turn. The Seattle Times sums it up here.
Boeing wants to outsource more work to Mexico; updated MAX v NEO orders
Boeing outsourcing: In an election where outsourcing is a major political campaign issue, The Seattle Times reports Boeing wants to outsource more work to Mexico. Here is Boeing’s letter, via The Times.
MAX v NEO: Here is an excellent set of tables updating the orders between the 737 MAX and the A320 NEO. According to the analysis, Airbus right now has a 63% market share for the airframe. On the NEO, where two engines are offered, CFM has a 41% share vs PW’s 39% share with the remainder undecided.
Odds and Ends: Airbus–60% of single aisle market; 777X customer meeting and EIS; advancing A350-1000
Airbus Market Share: Airbus figures it will keep around a 60% market share for single-aisles, according to this Reuters story. Boeing is going to beat Airbus handily for sales this year with the conversion of hundreds of MAX commitments to firm orders, but Airbus’ runaway success with the NEO program is a tough hill to climb for Boeing. A more telling market share story will likely come next year, after the orgy of sales is over for both companies and market stability returns.
777X Customer Meeting and EIS: With all the talk about what Boeing is planning with the 777X, there is a customer meeting in Seattle next week (a routine event) to talk about the aircraft, several who are planning to attend tell us. The 777X came up during the Boeing earnings call yesterday and Boeing CEO Jim McNerney said this about EIS: “Well, we are looking at the end of the decade [or] the beginning of the next decade…. [Emphasis added.] Our customers would like it sooner…. We have a robust dialogue going out with our customers right now to make sure we get it right.”
Note the comment about the beginning of “next decade.” Up until now, Boeing has been saying consistently that EIS would be the “end of this decade.” We’ve been hearing from our sources that EIS might slip to the beginning of the next decade, but as far as we can tell, this is the first public acknowledgement.
Airbus this week said it might advance EIS of the A350-1000 from 2017. If Airbus could achieve this, and if Boeing were to slip EIS of the 777X from 2019 to early next decade, Airbus could have an advantage with the 1000. Even if Boeing stuck with 2019, an advance by Airbus would give it a two or more year advantage (similar timing of the NEO vs MAX).
The sport game continues.
Boeing starts 777 build at 8.3/mo rate
777 Build Rate: Even as Airbus opened its A350 Final Assembly Line in Toulouse today, Boeing announced it has now gone to rate 8.3/mo on the rival 777. (One must wonder if the timing of the announcement is coincidence….) Here is Boeing’s press release.
Randy Tinseth, in his blog, writes this, with some photos.
Airbus A350: Aviation Week has this story from today’s FAL opening, reporting the company is trying to reassure stakeholders that the program is on track.
Key supplier says engine makers unsure of Boeing ramp up plans
A key supplier says engine makers aren’t as positive about plans by Boeing to ramp up production.
Allegheny Technologies hosted an investors’ day last month. In a note issued September 14 by Buckingham Research Group, BRG wites:
ATI has confidence in BA’s production ramp schedule but believes engine manufacturers do not. ATI is confident BA will achieve 787 production rates of 10/mo at the end of 2013 and successful ramp on the 737 and 777. Although ATI has faith in BA’s production ramp, CEO Richard Harshman noted that the engine supply chain may not have the same faith in BA’s production ramp. ATI’s observation is that the engine supply chain is being very tightly managed and that engine OEMs are being very guarded about getting ahead of airframe manufacturers (historically they have gotten ahead, anticipating production increase). This somewhat supports our view; although we think execution on the 787 has been better than BA expected, we think BA will be challenged to meet its production rate schedule of 10/mo by the end of 2013. We also think that view is well within buy-side expectations.
From our conversations with suppliers, we know that there is a general fear of the high rates announced by Airbus and Boeing, let alone those being studied. We believe these concerns are natural, given the unprecedented volumes announced and under study. Concern is also driven by a fragile global economy.
Airbus, Boeing battle for US MAX-NEO market share
With the announcement by Alaska Airlines for 20 737 MAX 8s, 17 737 MAX 9s (and 13 Next-Generation 737-900ERs), Airbus and Boeing continue their battle for the US market.
There are still a number of customers who have not ordered either aircraft. US Airways has been exclusively an Airbus customer. Airbus lost a hard-fought battle to Boeing in the competition for the A321-737-900ER order. ILFC orders seem to be on hold pending its Initial Public Stock offering.
| 737 MAX | A320neo | No Order Yet |
| American* | Spirit Airlines | US Airways |
| Aviation Capital Group** | Frontier Airlines | Delta Air Lines |
| Southwest Airlines | jetBlue | |
| United Airlines | American* | |
| Air Lease Corp | Aviation Capital Group | |
| GECAS | CIT Aerospace | |
| Alaska | Virgin America | |
| *To be affirmed in bankruptcy court**Commitment, not yet converted to firm order | ILFC |
EADS-BAE merger off; government interference, key shareholder kill it
The EADS-BAE Systems merger is off, killed by a combination of government interference and a key BAE shareholder who opposed it. Read here and here and here.
We favored the merger as a way to get the French and Germans out of EADS’ knickers. The British government also meddled in the affair, for its concern about the diminished role of BAE post-merger. BAE is a top UK employer and defense contractor.
Flight Global published a list of the Top 100 aerospace companies in the world. Boeing is #1, EADS #2 and BAE #15. A PDF is here Top 100 Aerospace Companies, avoiding Flight’s annoying new Flight Global Club nonsense.