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Pontifications: Boeing spin
By Scott Hamilton
May 18, 2015: Boeing has always been masterful with spinning its message, but the spin last week strains credibility with its explanation over how it will bridge the production gap for the 777 Classic into production of the 777X.
Leeham News last week examined Boeing’s detailed explanation, emerging from its May 12 investors day. Reports from aerospace analysts recounted Boeing’s assertion that when “feathering” in 777X production on the 777 Classic, because production of the X will be slow (normal for a new model and the ramp-up/learning curve), the X will be the equivalent of producing two or three Classics–and thus today’s production rate of 8.3/mo (100/yr) will be preserved, as claimed from the launch of the X program.
Poppycock. Read more
Boeing details 777 bridge plan
May 13, 2015: For the first time Boeing has detailed how it plans to bridge the production between the 777 Classic and 777X, according to aerospace analysts attending the May 12 investors day.
Boeing previously said it needs to sell 40-60 777s a year to maintain current production rates of 100/yr (8.3/mo) to the introduction of the X. This pledge has drawn a great deal of skepticism from analysts and this column.
Boeing’s detailed explanation, its first, does little to lessen doubts.
Boeing said it will feather the X into current production rates, with the X becoming the equivalent of two or three Classics, thus, it claims, maintaining current rates, according to Wells Fargo.
Boeing also claims that it will maintain rates by managing its skyline, advancing deliveries, according to Buckingham Research.
There are several problems with these claims.
ISTAT Asia day two: home for the elderly
Introduction
May 12, 2015, c. Leeham Co: As you would have guessed we are talking Asian civil airliners, where planning in the region for the fast growing older generations is inadequate. This was the subject of several sessions during day two of the ISTAT Asia (International Society of Transport Aircraft Trading) conference in Singapore.
The problem is new, as up to now a newly established airline fleet in Asia has not had any numbers of older aircraft. But the expansion over the last 20 years is now producing the first transition waves of aircraft and the planning around the problems this generates is inadequate.
The result will be surprising write-downs of airline assets as aircraft being replaced cannot be transitioned out at booked residual values. The scale of the problem was highlighted by a survey of the 500 gathered ISTAT industry experts. The question posed to them was “There are 4700 aircraft coming up for replacement until 2033, has Asian airlines planned adequately for this?”:
- 49% of the delegates responded a few airlines have.
- 45% answered there are only some that do it.
- 5% of the delegates answered most airlines does it.
- 2% thought all Asian airlines have done it.
Boeing investors day
May 12, 2015: Boeing held its annual investors day May 12. Note in particular the Buckingham and Wells Fargo commentary on the 777 bridge to 777X. Read more
Jet Airways, Kenya Airways dumping Boeing 777s
Jet Airways is disposing of all 10 Boeing 777-300ERs (five of which are already leased out) and Kenya Airways is disposing of three 777-300ERs, according to published reports from the regions.
The Jet aircraft are 2007 and newer; the Kenya aircraft are 2013-2014 aircraft.
Jet Airways, partially owned by Etihad Airways, wants to rid itself of the five 777s already leased to other parties. Kenya Airways can’t fill the -300ERs, according to a person familiar with the situation.
A Boeing spokesman said these late model aircraft coming to market won’t affect the company’s effort to sell new 777s as it works to fill the production gap between the Classic and the 777X.
On a recent earnings call, CEO Jim McNerney said the slots are essentially sold out in 2016, half sold out in 2017 and some 2018 slots have been sold. Through May 5, Boeing sold 25 777s this year, including 10 to United Airlines in a swap freeing up 10 Boeing 787-9s.
Pontifications: Qatar Air adds US service, US airlines ramp up whining
By Scott Hamilton
May 11, 2015: Qatar Airways is going to add service to three more US cities and the US airlines don’t like it. That’s too bad. We’ve heard this story before.
First, it was the proposed deregulation of the US airline industry. By the late 1970s, there hadn’t been a new scheduled airline certificated by the Civil Aeronautics Board since the end of World War II other than local service carriers. Non-scheduled airlines (non-skeds for short) and charter carriers received licenses for their lines of work, but every effort to obtain a scheduled certificate was defeated by those airlines already holding one. They didn’t want the competition.
When the move toward deregulation occurred in the 1970s, only United Airlines and the original Frontier Airlines supported it. United, then the nation’s largest carrier, had been rejected by the CAB for every major route expansion while UA’s competitors received new route awards. UA thought deregulation was the only way to expand. Frontier, a local service carrier that had become a “regional” airline by then (as designations evolved), also saw expansion opportunities. Read more
Paris Air Show: Boeing
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Second in a Series of Previews for the Paris Air Show.
Introduction
May 10, 2015, c. Leeham Co. Don’t expect Boeing to come away from the Paris Air Show next month with a ton of orders. It never does; this is Airbus’ home turf.
Although Boeing has said over and over and over again that it doesn’t hold back orders to announce at air shows, the fact is that it does, both for its own public 
relations value and at the behest of customers. Is this as aggressive as Airbus? No, but we know from talking with customers and with
Boeing’s own personnel that Boeing is just as aware of the air show PR value as is Airbus.
That being said, what can we expect from Boeing at the air show? A little bit here. A little bit there. But not a whole lot. The order cycle has flattened (though it’s certainly not collapsed) and the wide-body campaigns that are underway probably won’t be ready for Paris.
Summary
- Look for “Unidentifieds” to be revealed to bolster air show numbers, though this will be strictly a PR exercise;
- Watch the 737 MAX 200–so far only Ryanair has ordered this variant;
- Closely watch whether new orders for the 777 Classic are forthcoming; last week’s Swiss order, for three, were already accounted for in the Unidentifieds;
- 777 Classic production gap is much larger than generally recognized;
- Don’t expect much in the way of 777X orders; there are active campaigns but these probably won’t be ready by Paris;
- It’s doubtful if there will be many 787 orders; the backlog stream is just too far out to prompt airlines to commit right now; and
- Nothing on the Middle of the Market airplane or (probably) the 747-8I.
Bjorn’s Corner: China’s civil aviation, from nothing to world’s largest in 2030
Introduction
By Bjorn Fehrm
14 May 2015, C. Leeham Co: In my ISTAT Asia reports, I wrote about how China will overtake USA as largest civil aviation market in 2030. Airbus China Group chairman, Laurence Barron, and I had a chat after his ISTAT presentation where he described China’s evolution as a civil aviation market and how Airbus gradually worked itself from a late and hesitant start to today’s split of the market with Boeing.
Barron provided his slides, some of which we will use to review how China grew from virtually no civil aviation after the Chinese revolution in 1949 to the world’s largest market by 2030. We will also look at what aircraft have made up this growth and finally describe how Airbus progressed from a latecomer in 1985 to sharing the market with Boeing today.
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