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Do the Boeing 787 sums add up?
By Bjorn Fehrm
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Introduction
Oct. 19, 2015, ©. Leeham Co: Boeing presents its Q3 2015 results on Wednesday. This is a hotly awaited presentation, as analysts then will get another data point in their quest to understand if the 787 program will ever turn a profit.
We believe it is pretty clear that the program will not record an overall profit with the cost of development as well as production costs included. With a development cost of close to $20bn, this is to ask for too much. The question is if the production over the first 1,300 units can turn a profit. This is also under scrutiny.
Boeing employs program accounting for the production phase of an aircraft program and now, 25% into the accounting period for the 787, the accumulated deferred costs are such that it is questionable if future deliveries can compensate.
We take a look at the present state and what Boeing has said about the future. Based on this information, we can deduce if it is probable that Boeing can turn $32bn of deferred cost for the 787 into a profit by 2022.
Summary:
- We analyze Boeing’s information around its deferred production cost for the 787 and show how many analysts have misunderstood what has been said.
- Based on the Boeing information, we can deduce the present production cost level, learning curves and when production costs go below the assumed average in the accounting block.
- We also show what the delivery mix from 787-8 and 787-9 to 787-9 and 787-10 will mean for margins in the program.
- Finally, we judge whether Boeing will turn the corner on production cost and get the accounting block to a black zero (or better).
Bjorn’s Corner: Increasing an aircraft’s range
By Bjorn Fehrm
16 October 2015, ©. Leeham Co: Airbus announced this week how it made an Ultra Long Haul (ULH) aircraft out of the long haul A350-900. The resulting A350-900ULR (Ultra Long Range) enables Singapore Airlines to reopen the famous direct “Flight 21” to New York.
But Singapore’s press release also talks about US West coast destinations, the first being Los Angles. They released this picture:
Reading the many comments around how an aircraft like A350-900 can reach such longer range, it can be worth going through the basics on how different parameters affect range and what Airbus or any other OEM has to consider when they want to increase the range of an existing aircraft.
We will do that from a slightly different angle than normal. We will show how a pilot would think about how he can get an aircraft with more range. Pilots reason in a different way to design engineers. They are better served by thinking on the aircraft’s range performance as endurance, meaning how many hours can we stay aloft. This works better when one plans with the prevailing weather on the route.
We will now take it step-by-step and explain which parameters matters for the pilot and which do not and how he gets his ULH aircraft. Read more
Delta Air sees 777 surplus developing
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Oct. 14, 2015, © Leeham Co.: Delta Air Lines sees a major surplus of young Boeing 777s developing in the near term as key operators plan to let the aircraft go from
leases or retirements. The looming surplus makes it more likely that increased pressure on Boeing’s efforts to sell new 777s, and to sell them at reasonable margins, will become increasingly difficult.
Goldman Sachs, the investment bank, sees Delta’s comments as further evidence supporting the likelihood there will be a sharp production rate reduction as early as 2017, perhaps down to six/mo.
Separately, Bernstein Research’s aerospace analyst Doug Harned, also see 777 rates coming down to the equivalent of 6.5/mo in 2017, six in 2018 and five in 2019. The first 777X isn’t scheduled for delivery until 2020, when Harned predicts only five deliveries of the X.
Qantas robbed of longest flight by Emirates and then Singapore airlines
By Bjorn Fehrm
Oct. 14 2015, ©. Leeham Co: The planned “Flight 21” of Singapore Airlines between Singapore and New York would rob Qantas Airways of the title of flying the longest direct flight in the world come 2018.
Qantas operates today’s longest flight, the one between Sydney (SYD) and Dallas- Ft. Worth (TX) (DFW), using its Airbus A380. Emirates plans to take that crown next year with a Dubai (DXB) to Panama City (PTY) flight, Figure 1. It’s fractionally longer than the Qantas flight when comparing great circle distances (the 2015 and 2016 label).
Qantas CEO Allen Joyce just announced that the airline plans to take that title back when the Boeing 787-9 arrives in 2017. This aircraft enables direct service to London Heathrow (LHR) with flights from Perth (PER) in Western Australia, a flight of 7830nm or 18 hours, labeled 2017 in Figure 1.
Figure 1. Worlds longest flights 2015 to 2018. Source: Great Circle Mapper.
CSeries dilemma: a saga of missed opportunities, bad decisions, stiff competition
By Scott Hamilton
Oct. 12, 2015, © Leeham Co.: The news agencies, stock markets and aerospace analysts last week went wild when Reuters reported there were talks going on between Bombardier and Airbus whereby the latter would take a majority stake in the CSeries program.
Within hours, both companies said talks had ended. As could be expected, the stock went into another tailspin.
Then United Airlines said it wants pilots to approve a contract, and is dangling a 100-seat airplane order for mainline operations as an incentive. The CS100 fits into this category, as does the Embraer E195 E2.
It is worth recapturing reasons BBD finds itself in its current predicament.
Analysis: Airbus A350 production and accounting strategy
By Bjorn Fehrm
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Introduction
Oct. 12 2015, ©. Leeham Co: Airbus is ramping up the A350 program at a rather slow pace. For the first year of production, 2015, it plans 15 deliveries and “a little more than double that” for 2016. Airbus is also introducing “contract accounting” for the first A350 deliveries.
As initial costs for producing a new aircraft model can be 400%-500% higher than the ultimate run-in production cost, Airbus introduces this novel accounting principle to maintain 2015 and 2016 profits “at about the same level.”
We use our aircraft model to understand why Airbus is ramping the A350 as it is and why it uses “contract accounting.” We also show what would be the effects on Airbus profits should A350 not ramp slowly and Airbus use special accounting to keep group quarterly results from surprises.
Summary:
- The ramp of production of a new aircraft type is extremely expensive. Initial costs exceed what the customer pays for the aircraft with 400%-500%. This can generate company losses if no special actions are taken.
- We use our aircraft model to show what has been done for the A350 program and why.
- The wish to have a steady quarterly profit has forced Airbus to use the same accounting practices that is Boeing’s way to keep profits looking good, but with a shorter duration.
- We explain how this accounting works and what it will mean for Airbus profits.
Bjorn’s Corner: Engine rubbing
09 October 2015, ©. Leeham Co: Last week an Airbus A320neo prototype with Pratt & Whitney’s (PW) GTF had a problem while testing hot and high conditions at Al-Ain airport in Abu Dhabi. The engine suffered a rubbing problem and PW and Airbus decided to replace the engine before returning the A320neo to Toulouse.
I had the opportunity to discuss what happened with PW people at ISTAT this week and decided it makes for a good follow up to our two other engine Corners to write about what happened and how serious it was.
The problem was compressor blades rubbing against the compressors stator wall. PW knew that this engine individual could have that problem. They saw when assembling the engine it was a bit tight in the compressor area. PW said they told Airbus there was a risk with this particular unit, and sure enough, there was rubbing to be seen when they boroscope checked the engine after the test.
Here what it was all about and what to do about it. Read more
Airbus and Boeing swing it out at ISTAT Europe 2015
By Bjorn Fehrm
07 October 2015, ©. Leeham Co: This year’s ISTAT Europe conference had been characterized by a “Steady as you go” ambiance until the traditional match between Airbus and Boeing on “Large aircraft segment” panel got going. This is normally when things can get a bit more exiting and this year’s version did not disappoint.
Airbus’ Mark Perman-Wright, Head corporate and Investor marketing, kicked off the jabbing during his coverage of all the usual segments, claiming that Boeing got to know that Airbus held the upper hand in just about all airliner segments.
Randy Tinseth, Vice President Marketing for Boeing, immediately responded that this was all wrong and that indeed Boeing was the market leader in all imaginable measurement dimensions.
The audience of 1.200 financiers, lessors, airlines, consultants, etc., could see that a drastically lower fuel price had changed nothing. Airbus’ and Boeing’s fight over the market dominance, both real and verbal, is as fierce as ever. As we could get a hold of Boeing’s presentation and both OEMs followed the same route through their product programs we will use Tinseth’s slides as a base for our ringside review. Read more
Goldman Sachs predicts rate 5 for 777 in 2017
Oct. 6, 2015: As Boeing prepares to discuss its third quarter October 28, a major Wall Street investment bank predicts Boeing will have to reduce production rates of 
the 777 to five per month in 2017, the year before production begins on the 777X.
Separately, an appraisal company sees values and lease rates of the 777 Classic declining, characterizing the airplane as “struggling” as airplanes come off lease and troubled airlines prematurely dispose of 777s.
In a note published Oct. 4, Goldman Sachs writes that the 777 leasing market has been overlooked by many observers for its impact on new airplane sales Boeing needs to bridge the production gap to the 777X.
“Boeing has a backlog coverage and product transition challenge on the 777,” Goldman writes. “The market appears focused on the total bridge period; but we are more concerned with the large amount of slots that need to be filled for the next 24 months, as well as several existing aircraft coming back in to the market near-term.
Airbus A350-900ULR enables Singapore Airlines to reopen Singapore-New York
By Scott Hamilton and Bjorn Fehrm
The A350-900ULR enables Singapore Airlines to reopen the Singapore-New York “SQ flight 21” that was closed 23 November 2013. It was the world’s longest flight, using an Airbus A340-500 until SQ discontinued it during the more recent high fuel prices that rendered the flight uneconomic.
Update: Singapore has now released this picture through twitter:
It will also enable Singapore to restart direct flights to the US West Coast, something that the main competition, such as Cathay Pacific Airways, has been able to offer because of a better geographical position. The A350-900ULR now closes that competitive gap for Singapore Airlines.
Singapore has converted seven of its A350-900s to the -900ULR version, deliveries will start in 2018. The ULR will be in a custom premium configuration of 170 seats, about 60 more than used on the A340-500.
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Posted on October 13, 2015 by Scott Hamilton
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